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Cluster

The problem is that I can't edit any of the templates in the template edit section of MT4.1.

Stylesheet-Main and Stylesheet-base show up as greyed out text and cannot be edited. All the other templates turn up as as greyed out text as the page is loading - then disappear leaving a blank window that can be edited.

I have reviewed:

http://forums.sixapart.com/index.php?showt...rt=#entry254425

However after checking the source code for the edit page - the Script URI is going to the right spot and I have messed around with the positions of the folders and files to no avail.

I'm tearing out my hair here...Any ideas?
sarah
What is your StaticWebPath, CGIPath (as they appear in mt-config.cgi), and the actual URL you are logging in at?
Cluster
QUOTE (sarah @ Jan 10 2008, 12:13 PM) *
What is your StaticWebPath, CGIPath (as they appear in mt-config.cgi), and the actual URL you are logging in at?


Mt-config.cgi:

CGIPath /cgi-bin/mt/
StaticWebPath /mt-static/


URL logging in to access mt:

http://postconsumersociety.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt.cgi (doesn't show that it is in a public_html folder)


Page Source of Template edit page:

<script type="text/javascript">
CMSScriptURI = '/cgi-bin/mt/mt.cgi';
ScriptURI = '/cgi-bin/mt/mt.cgi';
ScriptBaseURI = '';
StaticURI = '/mt-static/';
HelpBaseURI = 'http://www.sixapart.com/movabletype/docs/4.0/';
</script>

Cheers
BloggyThingy
Had the installation been working ok and this just started? Had you made any changes to the paths in the configuration file? Do you have multiple blogs on the same MT installation?

I find this happens from time to time on an otherwise problem-free installation, mid-session, not having made any config changes to the MT installation. It's quite frustrating. I can't really account for it.

It sometimes seems to be associated with my having gone back and forth between two different blogs either on the same MT installation OR possibly on a different MT install at another domain, e.g., editing templates for blog1 in one browser window/tab, while doing some other admin task for blog2 in another window/tab. I don't know why that would cause it, and I don't know if that IS causing it -- I've not really tried to track it down. But my recollection is that's usually when it happens to me.

Regardless of the cause, when this happens, I sign out of MT and then sign back in. It sometimes seems as though it requires that I first close all instances of the browser before signing back in. At that point I always manage to get back in with things working correctly.
Cluster
QUOTE (BloggyThingy @ Jan 11 2008, 12:48 PM) *
Had the installation been working ok and this just started? Had you made any changes to the paths in the configuration file? Do you have multiple blogs on the same MT installation?

I find this happens from time to time on an otherwise problem-free installation, mid-session, not having made any config changes to the MT installation. It's quite frustrating. I can't really account for it.

It sometimes seems to be associated with my having gone back and forth between two different blogs either on the same MT installation OR possibly on a different MT install at another domain, e.g., editing templates for blog1 in one browser window/tab, while doing some other admin task for blog2 in another window/tab. I don't know why that would cause it, and I don't know if that IS causing it -- I've not really tried to track it down. But my recollection is that's usually when it happens to me.

Regardless of the cause, when this happens, I sign out of MT and then sign back in. It sometimes seems as though it requires that I first close all instances of the browser before signing back in. At that point I always manage to get back in with things working correctly.


Seems you problem is slightly different. Mine is a product of the install - yours seems to be intermittent. Only have one blog as well. This problem sucks. I'm seriously looking at alternatives now.
Cluster
Before I switch to another program like Wordpress - can someone think of any other diagnostic information that I could find
and post that may help people understand my problem?

Cheers
BloggyThingy
Hi. I can't stand getting advice like this, so I REALLY I hesitate to give it. But.... you might try just totally reinstalling MT again, after you either totally remove the current installation OR create a new folder for the new installation.

I know that's not what you wanted to hear. And I don't know how long you've been putting content into your database. But I've found that it's easier to just reinstall the thing than try to diagnose a problem... especially if I've been mucking around with the current installation and done who knows what kind of damage to it. Even if you keep the new installation's database the same as the old one, the new one will just find it and (in my experience, using MySQL) do what it needs to to install itself, but still leave any entries intact. Though you should still export your entries and backup the db, just in case.

I'm really not sure why this is, but installing MT seems quite onerous and difficult at first (or at least it did to me.) But for some reason, after a while, it becomes really nothing at all (assuming there's nothing unusual about your hosting environment that requires something special.) I've installed it a number of times at 2 or 3 different domains, plus locally on my XP machine, and have even copied entire mt-static, plugin, and php folders from one installtion to the other (so as not to have to individually install plugins) and as far as I can tell, MT can't tell the difference. Just make sure your mt-config.cgi is correct.
OtherNiceMan
Can I check, MT4.1 (in beta with nightly builds) or MT4.01 stable release?

What does the domain show http://postconsumersociety.com or http://www.postconsumersociety.com?

Public_Html should not show in the url as this is normally the root directory for your website.

Can you try adding the url to your static and cgi paths

CODE
CGIPath http://postconsumersociety.com/cgi-bin/mt/
StaticWebPath http://postconsumersociety.com/mt-static


If you are using IE do you see any icons in the bottom right hand corner of you status bar looking like page with a yellow warning sign.
Cluster
QUOTE (BloggyThingy @ Jan 12 2008, 05:20 PM) *
Hi. I can't stand getting advice like this, so I REALLY I hesitate to give it. But.... you might try just totally reinstalling MT again, after you either totally remove the current installation OR create a new folder for the new installation.

I know that's not what you wanted to hear. And I don't know how long you've been putting content into your database. But I've found that it's easier to just reinstall the thing than try to diagnose a problem... especially if I've been mucking around with the current installation and done who knows what kind of damage to it. Even if you keep the new installation's database the same as the old one, the new one will just find it and (in my experience, using MySQL) do what it needs to to install itself, but still leave any entries intact. Though you should still export your entries and backup the db, just in case.

I'm really not sure why this is, but installing MT seems quite onerous and difficult at first (or at least it did to me.) But for some reason, after a while, it becomes really nothing at all (assuming there's nothing unusual about your hosting environment that requires something special.) I've installed it a number of times at 2 or 3 different domains, plus locally on my XP machine, and have even copied entire mt-static, plugin, and php folders from one installtion to the other (so as not to have to individually install plugins) and as far as I can tell, MT can't tell the difference. Just make sure your mt-config.cgi is correct.


Yeah I might have to do that. Appreciate your input.
Cluster
QUOTE (OtherNiceMan @ Jan 12 2008, 07:15 PM) *
Can I check, MT4.1 (in beta with nightly builds) or MT4.01 stable release?

What does the domain show http://postconsumersociety.com or http://www.postconsumersociety.com?

Public_Html should not show in the url as this is normally the root directory for your website.

Can you try adding the url to your static and cgi paths

CODE
CGIPath http://postconsumersociety.com/cgi-bin/mt/
StaticWebPath http://postconsumersociety.com/mt-static


If you are using IE do you see any icons in the bottom right hand corner of you status bar looking like page with a yellow warning sign.


1. It is MT 4.01

2. In MT is is http://postconsumersociety.com - that is what shows up at the bottom of the screen when I run over the "view site button"

3. Cool about public_html - hey I just a noob wink.gif

4. Tried adding it to the config - the relogged in with no change. Dumped the cache - no change.

5. Using Firefox 1.07

Cheers
Cluster
QUOTE (BloggyThingy @ Jan 12 2008, 05:20 PM) *
Hi. I can't stand getting advice like this, so I REALLY I hesitate to give it. But.... you might try just totally reinstalling MT again, after you either totally remove the current installation OR create a new folder for the new installation.



Just tried that and it still comes up with the same error. This is crap. Anyone else with some suggestions?
danwolfgang
You mentioned clearing the cache--have you deleted the pertinent cookies?

What happens if you try to access from http://www.postconsumersociety.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt.cgi (note the "www." addition)?
Cluster
QUOTE (danwolfgang @ Jan 16 2008, 02:57 AM) *
You mentioned clearing the cache--have you deleted the pertinent cookies?

What happens if you try to access from http://www.postconsumersociety.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt.cgi (note the "www." addition)?



When I add the www it still goes to the site. But I have re installed it twice since them and still get the same problem. It is something to do with the installation.
insomniactk
QUOTE (Cluster @ Jan 7 2008, 05:32 PM) *
The problem is that I can't edit any of the templates in the template edit section of MT4.1.

Stylesheet-Main and Stylesheet-base show up as greyed out text and cannot be edited. All the other templates turn up as as greyed out text as the page is loading - then disappear leaving a blank window that can be edited.

I have reviewed:

http://forums.sixapart.com/index.php?showt...rt=#entry254425

However after checking the source code for the edit page - the Script URI is going to the right spot and I have messed around with the positions of the folders and files to no avail.

I'm tearing out my hair here...Any ideas?


I get the same issue with 4.1...well, almost. Everything was working fine. I changed the css style, rebuilt. Changed the Powered by graphic - everything was fine. Then returned to the home page on the dashboard and all the drop down menus stopped working. then i went to write my first post only to find that i couldn't actually enter anything in the body of the power. title, no problem, tags, no problem....but not the body.

REALLY hope these are little bugs that get fixed for the final release.
Cluster

After a week of stuffing around with this thing I am done. Thanks for everyone that took the time out to help.

As for the Developers if you are out there - here is one for the complaints department.

1. The software is buggy - not just little bugs - but crippling bugs.

2. I have found the support for this software non-existent. The most help I had came from other users.

3. Therefore I just installed Wordpress - which took about 10 minutes to do and I am already up and running.


Take note:
You just lost a customer that was going to upgrade to a paying account. And bugger me if I am going to recommend you software - in fact I'm going to warn people off it.

Kim Daniels
This just happened to me, and thought I'd share what worked for me in case it might help someone in the future. I had to go into the user permissions and assign myself to each blog (I have two) and now I'm able to edit the templates.

This was for my personal blog space and was a clean install, but at work we recently upgraded from MT3.3 to MT4.1 and I've noticed that some of the author settings from the old system transferred differently to the new. That's really the only complaint I have about the new 4.1 version -- managing authors is not as friendly as it was with the older versions. I had a problem the other day where a blog administrator had to be assigned as a system administrator just to be able to manage her own users for that blog, and with more than 300 blogs in our company, I like to limit who gets permission for certain blogs. Also, assigning permissions to authors is so convoluted and unnecessary. For example, if I want a user to be an author, it makes sense that they also be a commenter and it doesn't make sense to have to assign those separately.

Sorry...could go on but won't. I just wanted to add my solution to the initial problem and also add to the dialogue about MT4.1 user permission issues.

smile.gif

OtherNiceMan
It will be better to send feedback on the interface for permissions via the feedback form http://www.movabletype.org/feedback/report_bug.html. These forums are community forums and so feedback such as this may not get seen straight away.

Kim Daniels
Yes, you're right. I will post something there as this seems to affect single blog users as well as larger companies with multiple blogs and users. Thanks!
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